Let me explain from the beginning. I work for a company named Octagon Technology Group as a Web Developer. Octagon builds web sites and processes orders received over the Internet. David Mann called Octagon wanting a web page made and orders processed from that web page. He was sent a contract which he signed and returned. His account was assigned to an Octagon employee (not myself) that then made the page and set up the order processing scripts. Mailto links in these pages were set up to go to amber@otginc.com which were then redirected to David Mann's e-mail account at Hotmail by Octagon's mail server. After this work was completed David Mann contracted with spam companies to send out his spam e-mail without Octagon's help. Octagon received e-mail that Amber Marketing was not shipping their customer's orders. Octagon contacted David Mann who told us that he was unable to get the shirts made. Octagon then issued all of Amber Marketing's customers a refund and removed the web pages. I hope this clarifies things. If you have any further questions please let me know and I will be happy to answer them. Thank you, Melvin Sleight